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A funny thing happened on the way to defining a church.

While doing some personal research about how an emergent will learn about God I found something very interesting, comedy_and_tragedy_masksfunny, and sad. One of the sites I will frequent in an effort to learn about what is current in the Emergent Church is Solomon’s Porch.

Solomon’s Porch does not a use the word church. There I would agree. They are, as the subtitle says “A Holistic, Missional, Christian Community. Solomon’s Porch is lead by Doug Pagitt, who is by all means a leader in the emergent movement. He has written several books on the movement and is an authority, which is a contrast in the emergent community. But that is another post, article, discussion.

While navigating the Solomon’s Porch web site using their navigating drop-down list I found an entry for “What Makes a church?”. Curious, I navigated to that page. The result can be seen here.  Go ahead, do it yourself.  I don’t know if this was intentional or not. Usually a web site will have something on a page that is published to the public, so maybe this was intentional. Does the blank page represent the open-minded, broad brush,  emergent definition of church? You draw your own opinion.

In contrast I will briefly mention another web site I frequent a bit more, especially to find info about “What Makes a church.” The web site is 9Marks. They have a couple of tag lines: “Church Matters”, and “Is Your Church Reflecting Culture or Re-shaping It?” The 9 in 9Marks represents the 9 marks of a healthy local church. When I navigated to their page on what a church looks like, I found this. It is based on what is  the ultimate authority for every man, the bible.

It is not my intention to bash Doug Pagitt and Solomon’s Porch. I just found it interesting that they do not have a definition for what makes a church. It is my prayer that Doug Pagitt and Solomon’s Porch update their “What Makes a church” page using the same basis. The bible. It is how we know God, the Holy Spirit, and Christ the son and head of the church.

Some food for thought:

Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb. (Revelation 21:9 ESV)

1 Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, Lord, lord, open to us. 12 But he answered, Truly, I say to you, I do not know you. 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour. (Matthew 25:1-13 ESV)

Soli Deo Gloria

 

Two authors, two movements

The other day I found a link to an article in Christianity Today that features a conversation between two contemporary authors. The article is providing a forum for each of these authors to address each other with observations and questions about each others camps so to speak. The authors are Collin Hansen who authored “Young, Restless, and Reformed: A Journalist’s Journey with the New Calvinists“, and Tony Jones who wrote “New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Frontier“. The conversation will continue over several days and makes for some interesting reading. The guys are very civil toward each other and bring up some questions that have interested me. Through the discussion I have learned a little more about the emergent church and the logic behind some of their theology or determined lack of it. It is interesting because they each mention the movements virtually being driven in part by discussions in the blogosphere. Imagine that? There are many blogs and bloggers mentioned that we all frequent. Go check it out and use the links provided to view each days discussion.

Emergent’s New Christians and the Young and Restless Reformed

 
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Posted by on May 11, 2008 in emergent, reformed, Theology

 

Snuff the rooster

Someone once said that there is a song for everything, and for everything there is a song. There could be some truth to that. When I read the following article by Peter Jones over at TheResurgence about how our society, and even the church deal with sin and guilt, the chorus lyrics to this old Alice In Chains song came screaming back:

Here they come to snuff the rooster
Yeah here come the rooster, yeah
You know he ain’t gonna die
No, no, no, ya know he ain’t gonna die

Please link to the article by Peter Jones and let me know what you think about how we try to “kill that rooster”.

Will someone please kill that rooster?

 

Is this really a church?

After reading all of the bloggers comments surrounding the John MacArthur and Doug Padgitt debate on Christians and Yoga, I found a little video of Doug Pagitt introducing his church. I use that term church loosely of course. I remember someone at Shepherd’s Conference asking John MacArthur if he was offended by a local church with the same name as the one he pastors, Grace Community Church? His response was “I don’t care so much that they use the same name what I do care about is that they use the term church.” This would be the case here. Please watch the video at the link below, and comment it you like.

Solomon’s Porch

HT: fourpointer

 
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Posted by on September 27, 2007 in Doug Pagitt, emergent, John MacArthur, Solomon's Porch