Is this really a church?

27 Sep

After reading all of the bloggers comments surrounding the John MacArthur and Doug Padgitt debate on Christians and Yoga, I found a little video of Doug Pagitt introducing his church. I use that term church loosely of course. I remember someone at Shepherd’s Conference asking John MacArthur if he was offended by a local church with the same name as the one he pastors, Grace Community Church? His response was “I don’t care so much that they use the same name what I do care about is that they use the term church.” This would be the case here. Please watch the video at the link below, and comment it you like.

Solomon’s Porch

HT: fourpointer


Posted by on September 27, 2007 in Doug Pagitt, emergent, John MacArthur, Solomon's Porch


4 responses to “Is this really a church?

  1. pastorsteve

    September 27, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    One word to those that think this is a great example of being the church. Baaaaaa
    It looks more like talking with goats that are following their own desires, than sheep following the great Shepherd “Jesus Christ”

  2. pastorsteve

    September 27, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    one thought, do sheep and goats make a similar sound?

  3. barrydean

    September 27, 2007 at 9:50 pm


    I concur with your first comment. Your second one made me laugh. Pastor Pat made a similar sound during his sermon two weeks ago. (We are were in Matt. 25:31-end of chapter) He then had to follow it up with a similar statement confirming that it was a sheep sound and not a goat. I think they are very similar. It was too funny.

  4. barrydean

    October 2, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    This is a comment I am posting for my brother Will @ Anwoth. For some reason only known to WordPress his comment got messed up so Will, here it is from what you sent me.

    Commenting on something like that is very difficult. It is a challenge on several levels. I want to be loving, but I want to be bold. I want to be gracious, but I want to be stern. I don’t know whether to respond like Christ when he entered the temple to chase out the money changers or to respond like he did with the woman at the well. I lean towards anger and frustration, yet I am also perplexed, frustrated and disappointed.

    In a time when a desperate and dying world needs truth and is hungry for reality, this social club (not “church”) is offering merely opinion and warm fuzzies. At least that’s the impression this video leaves me with.

    I am not at all surprised that this is a club of artists for the most part. That’s not to be critical of artists. I am somewhat artistic myself; that’s why I make that comment. I understand the self-centered, feeling-oriented denial of absolutes that is characteristic of most people with an artistic bent.

    Comments like, “The Bible is changing,” and, “Authority structures are dangerous” really scare me because they represent a mind that is conformed to this age, not to Scriptural reality.

    Quite honestly, I am going to leave the real depth of interaction with this video to the people who have and will undoubtedly blog endlessly about it. They will do a better job than I will. And right now, quite frankly, I am too sad in my heart by what I have just seen and heard to write with a great deal of clarity. Watching this video has given me a greater understanding of why the emerging church movement holds so much danger for so many people. I am glad that God gave spiritual leaders (authority figures) to the church, “to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.”

    I hope, for Christ’s sake, that these people love him and seek him, however feebly and flawed that may be. I also hope, for Christ’s sake, that godly Christians who know and understand the Scripture with a greater clarity than these people will respond with Christlike vigor, boldness and love.


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